I whole heartly agree with what the Government has done. Climate Change is a con. In spite of what the MSM declare none of their, end of time predictions have come to pass. Not one of Al Gore's, or the UN's predictions have come to pass. The decitfulness of the climate change scam is exposed when you look at weather records further back than the 1960s. It was hotter in the 1930's than it is now and there were droughts in the 1880s that caused severe famine in India, China and other parts of Asia, to mention just a few things.
The very latest IPCC report has toned down the rhetoric on the climate scam. Higher levels of co2 has greened the plant up, and the levels of co2 now are still considerably lower than in the earth's past. Drawing a link between a warming atmosphere and co2 level is flawed. There is no scientific consensus on whether the two are linked. In fact warming seems to be proceeding higher levels of co2, as it has done in the last few hundred thousand years, according to the ice record.
And don't get me started on methane, an extremely small portion of atmospheric gasses.
Screaming headlines in MSM doesn't make something true.
The report clearly states that a 0.3 percent reduction per year in methane is equivalent to net zero for CO2 – that is, there would be no additional warming at this level.
The report also clearly states that the current accounting method, known as GWP100 (which compares the global warming potential of emissions over a 100-year period) overstates the effect of constant methane emissions on global surface temperature by a factor of 3-4 over a 20-year horizon, while understating the effect of new (or increasing) methane emissions by a factor of 4-5 over a 20-year horizon.
As we are still advocating for a decrease, I think its all a storm in a teacup by the communist party masquerading as the greens.
My biggest concern is, how are we going to tax Vegans for adding more methane into the environment?
Yes it could have been undue lobbying pressure, or perhaps this coalition Government is finally starting to see some sense by ditching ridiculous, damaging climate alarmist policies.
More generally, much as I would have liked this country to be making a decent, much better living by diversifying away from farming, we haven't, so better not bite the hand that feeds us.
Bryce your outrage at this development ignores the fact that NZ scientists established and the IPCC accepted 2 years ago that methane’s impact on the atmosphere has been overstated by 4 times meaning that agriculture’s contribution to NZ’s em
I think Dr Edward's piece is a rather superficial storm in a teacup scenario given the minuscule amount of polluting that our cows, industry and population add to global warming. The science on the anthropogenic causes of this warming is not settled and there are benefits to a warmer planet, such as the ability to grow crops in places that hitherto were inclement to horticulture.
Farming is likely the most vulnerable endevour to climate change.
Are the current generation of farmers just dumb, or are they mercenary enough to take short term profits, and leave the next generation to reap the damage?
So you want the country to go broke trying to achieve impossible targets when we only omit 50% of the emissions of other countries. In effect you want more pollution in the world because other, less efficient countries, would fill the void. Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face!! Are you a vegan by chance?
No. You have jumped to conclusions. I am saying each of us can contribute to reducing agricultural methane by not eating beef and dairy products.You can do that without being vegan.
I asked a question, I never reached any conclusions other than the statement before the question.....but you seemed to have ignored the statement of what would happen if we reduced our beef and dairy production.....
You're missing the point. Go and read the arguments and debate them rather than standing up a straw man which I could set fire to, but can't be bothered playing your silly game.
I'm not missing the point, you are. The above is a fact, we only emit approx 55% of the emissions compared with the rest of the world in farming. If we price ourselves out of markets, another less efficient country will supply the goods, leading to an increase in world emissions. Anyone who can't see that is wilfully blind.
Did you even read the article - or you just plucking figures out of the air to sound important ?
And you realise that companies such as Fonterra are ruining our environment for short term gains by making low quality commodity ingredients for confectionery, selling butter-milk powder fortified with palm fat etc into low income countries. Hardly a moral leader.
Feel free to look at the figures for NZ farming emissions compared to other countries. Its freely available you know and perhaps you too should make an effort to do a bit of research.
I'm not saying farming can't improve, I'm saying we only emit approx 55% of the emissions compared to the world farming average. We are streets ahead of most other countries and you would have to be willfully blind to ignore the fact that if NZ exports are replaced with other countries production that will add to the pollution in the world. Why do so many people who say they are green like to ignore basic facts and why do they not seem to care about worldwide pollution (and buy EV's for example).
Incredible. Apparently intelligent people can continue to excuse and deny our shared reality in the face of science, data, facts and their own eyeballs (evidenced by some of the comments below)! Thank you for helping to illuminate the shenanigans of those against progress.
This retrograde anti-science action of this climate change denying government also confirms the absolute hypocrisy of this government's claim about supporting the international rule of law. This action is clearly a breach of international law as the International Court of Justice has declared.
I whole heartly agree with what the Government has done. Climate Change is a con. In spite of what the MSM declare none of their, end of time predictions have come to pass. Not one of Al Gore's, or the UN's predictions have come to pass. The decitfulness of the climate change scam is exposed when you look at weather records further back than the 1960s. It was hotter in the 1930's than it is now and there were droughts in the 1880s that caused severe famine in India, China and other parts of Asia, to mention just a few things.
The very latest IPCC report has toned down the rhetoric on the climate scam. Higher levels of co2 has greened the plant up, and the levels of co2 now are still considerably lower than in the earth's past. Drawing a link between a warming atmosphere and co2 level is flawed. There is no scientific consensus on whether the two are linked. In fact warming seems to be proceeding higher levels of co2, as it has done in the last few hundred thousand years, according to the ice record.
And don't get me started on methane, an extremely small portion of atmospheric gasses.
Screaming headlines in MSM doesn't make something true.
Given the IPSS has stated
The report clearly states that a 0.3 percent reduction per year in methane is equivalent to net zero for CO2 – that is, there would be no additional warming at this level.
The report also clearly states that the current accounting method, known as GWP100 (which compares the global warming potential of emissions over a 100-year period) overstates the effect of constant methane emissions on global surface temperature by a factor of 3-4 over a 20-year horizon, while understating the effect of new (or increasing) methane emissions by a factor of 4-5 over a 20-year horizon.
As we are still advocating for a decrease, I think its all a storm in a teacup by the communist party masquerading as the greens.
My biggest concern is, how are we going to tax Vegans for adding more methane into the environment?
Damn vegans!
Yes it could have been undue lobbying pressure, or perhaps this coalition Government is finally starting to see some sense by ditching ridiculous, damaging climate alarmist policies.
More generally, much as I would have liked this country to be making a decent, much better living by diversifying away from farming, we haven't, so better not bite the hand that feeds us.
We're not biting there hands, they are doing it to themselves.
Bryce your outrage at this development ignores the fact that NZ scientists established and the IPCC accepted 2 years ago that methane’s impact on the atmosphere has been overstated by 4 times meaning that agriculture’s contribution to NZ’s em
I think Dr Edward's piece is a rather superficial storm in a teacup scenario given the minuscule amount of polluting that our cows, industry and population add to global warming. The science on the anthropogenic causes of this warming is not settled and there are benefits to a warmer planet, such as the ability to grow crops in places that hitherto were inclement to horticulture.
Farming is likely the most vulnerable endevour to climate change.
Are the current generation of farmers just dumb, or are they mercenary enough to take short term profits, and leave the next generation to reap the damage?
Grant Atkinson
I think you answered your own question.
Cows contribute 25% of agricultural methane — do your bit towards cutting that — BOYCOTT beef and dairy products.
So you want the country to go broke trying to achieve impossible targets when we only omit 50% of the emissions of other countries. In effect you want more pollution in the world because other, less efficient countries, would fill the void. Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face!! Are you a vegan by chance?
No. You have jumped to conclusions. I am saying each of us can contribute to reducing agricultural methane by not eating beef and dairy products.You can do that without being vegan.
I asked a question, I never reached any conclusions other than the statement before the question.....but you seemed to have ignored the statement of what would happen if we reduced our beef and dairy production.....
You're missing the point. Go and read the arguments and debate them rather than standing up a straw man which I could set fire to, but can't be bothered playing your silly game.
I'm not missing the point, you are. The above is a fact, we only emit approx 55% of the emissions compared with the rest of the world in farming. If we price ourselves out of markets, another less efficient country will supply the goods, leading to an increase in world emissions. Anyone who can't see that is wilfully blind.
Did you even read the article - or you just plucking figures out of the air to sound important ?
And you realise that companies such as Fonterra are ruining our environment for short term gains by making low quality commodity ingredients for confectionery, selling butter-milk powder fortified with palm fat etc into low income countries. Hardly a moral leader.
Hi David,
Feel free to look at the figures for NZ farming emissions compared to other countries. Its freely available you know and perhaps you too should make an effort to do a bit of research.
I'm not saying farming can't improve, I'm saying we only emit approx 55% of the emissions compared to the world farming average. We are streets ahead of most other countries and you would have to be willfully blind to ignore the fact that if NZ exports are replaced with other countries production that will add to the pollution in the world. Why do so many people who say they are green like to ignore basic facts and why do they not seem to care about worldwide pollution (and buy EV's for example).
Incredible. Apparently intelligent people can continue to excuse and deny our shared reality in the face of science, data, facts and their own eyeballs (evidenced by some of the comments below)! Thank you for helping to illuminate the shenanigans of those against progress.
This retrograde anti-science action of this climate change denying government also confirms the absolute hypocrisy of this government's claim about supporting the international rule of law. This action is clearly a breach of international law as the International Court of Justice has declared.